Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems

The article compares Roland Barthes’s and Juri Lotman’s notions of ‘second-order semiological systems’ [systemes sémiologique seconds] and ‘secondary modelling systems’ [вторичные моделирующие системы]. It investigates the shared presuppositions of the two theories and their important divergences fr...

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Main Author: Daniele Monticelli
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Language:English
Published: University of Tartu Press 2016-12-01
Series:Sign Systems Studies
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Online Access:https://ojs.utlib.ee/index.php/sss/article/view/15929
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spelling doaj-9905085c297d42bf8bec68887ee74b7f2021-04-02T14:01:15ZengUniversity of Tartu PressSign Systems Studies1406-42431736-74092016-12-0144310.12697/SSS.2016.44.3.07Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systemsDaniele Monticelli0School of Humanities Tallinn UniversityThe article compares Roland Barthes’s and Juri Lotman’s notions of ‘second-order semiological systems’ [systemes sémiologique seconds] and ‘secondary modelling systems’ [вторичные моделирующие системы]. It investigates the shared presuppositions of the two theories and their important divergences from each other, explaining them in terms of the opposite strategic roles that the notions of ‘ideology’ and ‘culture’ play in the work of Barthes and Lotman, respectively. The immersion of secondary modelling systems in culture as a “system of systems” characterized by internal heterogeneity, allows Lotman to evidence their positive creative potential: the result of the tensions arising from cultural systemic plurality and heterogeneity may coincide with the emergence of new, unpredictable meanings in translation. The context of Barthes’s second-order semiological systems is instead provided by highly homogeneous ideological frames that appropriate the signs of the first-order system and make them into forms for significations which confirm, reproduce and transmit previously existing information generated by hegemonic social and cultural discourses. The article shows how these differences resurface and, partially, fade away in the theories of the text that Barthes and Lotman elaborated in the 1970s. The discussion is concluded by some remarks on the possible topicality of Barthes’s and Lotman’s approaches for contemporary semiotics and the humanities in general.https://ojs.utlib.ee/index.php/sss/article/view/15929BarthesLotmansecond-order semiological systemssecondary modelling systemscultureideology
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Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
Sign Systems Studies
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title Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
title_short Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
title_full Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
title_fullStr Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
title_full_unstemmed Critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? Barthes and Lotman on secondary semiotic systems
title_sort critique of ideology or/and analysis of culture? barthes and lotman on secondary semiotic systems
publisher University of Tartu Press
series Sign Systems Studies
issn 1406-4243
1736-7409
publishDate 2016-12-01
description The article compares Roland Barthes’s and Juri Lotman’s notions of ‘second-order semiological systems’ [systemes sémiologique seconds] and ‘secondary modelling systems’ [вторичные моделирующие системы]. It investigates the shared presuppositions of the two theories and their important divergences from each other, explaining them in terms of the opposite strategic roles that the notions of ‘ideology’ and ‘culture’ play in the work of Barthes and Lotman, respectively. The immersion of secondary modelling systems in culture as a “system of systems” characterized by internal heterogeneity, allows Lotman to evidence their positive creative potential: the result of the tensions arising from cultural systemic plurality and heterogeneity may coincide with the emergence of new, unpredictable meanings in translation. The context of Barthes’s second-order semiological systems is instead provided by highly homogeneous ideological frames that appropriate the signs of the first-order system and make them into forms for significations which confirm, reproduce and transmit previously existing information generated by hegemonic social and cultural discourses. The article shows how these differences resurface and, partially, fade away in the theories of the text that Barthes and Lotman elaborated in the 1970s. The discussion is concluded by some remarks on the possible topicality of Barthes’s and Lotman’s approaches for contemporary semiotics and the humanities in general.
topic Barthes
Lotman
second-order semiological systems
secondary modelling systems
culture
ideology
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